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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2010.12.09 07:08:00 -
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re: lowering cost of gtc:
one that can't be done and 2, people in wormholes make to much money as it is, which is where some of the problem lies.
stop botters and reduce wormhole profits and gtc may go down. but there are so many ways in eve to make vast sums of money with little effort if you have multiple accounts and you play more than a casual player.
as a casual player the rise in gtc prices is welcome as I pvp and don't have time to grind anything, even null sec anoms.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:45:00 -
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I agree with many of your points and I want to see RMT and botting gone.
The whole selling GTC is a double edged sword in this regard. Myself the genuine player with 1 account benefits from this but it turns out now, that so does the botter/RMT person.
If it takes GTC removal as part of the solution then I support it.
One thing I noticed in my years of EVE is when GTC selling was introduced, a player with 1 or 2b ISK was no longer considered rich. You're now only considered rich if you have 20b+.
What ****es me of most is some alliances using RMT or bots to fund themselves. I often puzzles me just how certain corps and alliances fund themselves, it was pretty obvious but now its really clear.
CCP, if you don't remove the bots and RMT's then the players that buy from the RMT will leave EVE, leaving you with a dead game.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:05:00 -
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Has CCP made a statement about this yet?
Looks like CCP is inviting people to break the EULA.
Really disappointed with CCP over this. The other stuff with lag and bad priorities I can sit by and watch but this is ****ing daft.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Meridian Siri
If your 100 guys in regular fleet fits can loose with impunity (ie. ready and unlimited replacements) this is a severe obstacle for an alliance/corp that is not in the "bot-game". It is hard to argue that the ability to replace losses (extending to capitols and supercaps) at will does not represent a dramatic advantage to an alliance or corp.
subcap ship replacement shouldn't be a problem as long as you consider insurance payouts and have minimal access to decent moon minerals (and if it is a problem, you might want to contact the UN for help^^).
I guess botting really starts to shine when you start playing the supercap game...
Not even with supercaps. If a bot supported corp or alliance can instantly replace lost POS bashing BS fleets it makes a massive difference to how 0.0 works, and we're already seeing this and CCP are ignoring it.
A corp or alliance not using bots cannot endless replace or reimburse members for lost ships, POS towers, JB networks etc as they have a limited income govered by game mechanics and the number of players in that corp/alliance. Fleet armour BS's cost near enough 200m, even with normal insurance and alliance reimbursment it will only go so far before the non botters reach financial meltdown. You also have the issue of getting replacement ships to the local market or getting them brough in by JF.
A corp or alliance botting can just buy up JF pilot alts and buy as many ships as they can get of the market in Jita and them get them shipped locally with there bot paid for JF pilots. This will also cause inflation in these high sec markets meaning normal players not using bots will no longer be able to afford BS's and T2 ships.
As it is things like HAC's, Recons and logistics ships are horribly overpriced right now and this I think will force more casual players out of EVE.
Unless something is done, more people will turn to bots and RMT as its the only way to compete with these guys who've been getting away with it for years.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2011.02.19 09:20:00 -
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for those that just can't see why its a problem:
alliance A doesn't use bots. they have to get isk honesty.
alliance B uses bots.
alliance B attacks A's sov holdings. alliance B has an endless supply of isk so can absorb any losses and field the most expensive ships and put them in harms way without fear. they can also buy accounts for cap pilots, cyno alts, neutral alts etc.
alliance A, while they might be good pvp'ers will suffer attrition.
alliance B eventually wins because they can out perform alliance A economically because alliance A has to replace ships though in game methods whereas alliance B can buy there way to victory through bot made isk.
alliance A then gets some bots themselves and the whole problem escalates where no one can compete in sov pvp without the use of bots.
since pvp, especially sov pvp is a main economic driver in eve's player driven economy it begins to severely affect all markets in quite a number of ways which are negative to the honest player.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2011.02.28 08:30:00 -
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not sure why people think getting rid of bots will screw up the market. it could actually cause prices to fall as demand eventually drops.
pvp is the market driver in eve. without isk from bots, the botters won't be able to afford anything.
t2 isn't affected by bots other than what botters spend money on. t2 prices might actually go down.
only t1 is affected by botters but I'd put money on carebear mission runners still being the core supply of t1 modules.
you might find a temporary increase as former botters buy up what they can but first supply will outstrip demand due to an excess of botters minerals but eventually supply and demand will even out as it has in the past.
this is because the former botters have to replace pvp ships with honest isk and minerals are mined honestly.
also take into account some botters will have billions stashed away which will cause devaluation but even that will eventually be spent and blown up or spent on plex.
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
t2 isn't affected by bots other than what botters spend money on. t2 prices might actually go down.
Suggestion: Only people who understand how the eve economy works are allowed to partake in this discussion.
By the way, PI and ice macros factor heavily into the end price of t2 goods.
well there you probably want to ignore most post here then as basic economics has escaped most of the pages of this thread.
there is enough player driven of both to make sure bots don't factor in. in the ice fields near me I've not once seen a single bot in there. they are a different scale to the ratting bots seen down south which have a severe effect on the eve economy.
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